i often wondered about this when i first started questioning things.. .
any jw that has died in decades past, how are they even eligible for ressurection?
during the time in which they died, they were never taught "the truth", as everything changed.. any jw today, looking forward to armageddon coming tomorrow, isn't being taught "the truth" either, as will be made manifest by more doctrinal change.
Son of Man
Who are you to thinkyou are able to tell me what to do?
Imagine you were at Billy's door and he told you face to face what he put in his reply. Very simply to understand that he's not really telling you what to do. Just where else to do it.
i often wondered about this when i first started questioning things.. .
any jw that has died in decades past, how are they even eligible for ressurection?
during the time in which they died, they were never taught "the truth", as everything changed.. any jw today, looking forward to armageddon coming tomorrow, isn't being taught "the truth" either, as will be made manifest by more doctrinal change.
"Son of Man",
My comments weren't directed to you.
My comments were addressed to lurk3r.
I'm not interested in your religion. Go preach to the neighbors.
B the X
his article was published by f18news on: 23 july 2009. russia: jehovah's witness lawyers deported for defending extremism cases?by geraldine fagan, forum 18 news service <http://www.forum18.org>.
four lawyers defending jehovah's witnesses have been deported since march, forum 18 news service has learned.
a leaflet by a traditional mari el pagan priest is among the latest additions to the federal list of extremist materials, meaning it is banned throughout russia.
This is a "Commandment" from The Almighty GOD:
Do NOT force any member of the group known as Jehovah's Witnesses to lay down their life in any country that enforces a ban on them. Jesus Christ laid down his life Once and For "ALL" humans. Do not make "any" sacrifice whatsoever, in the Name of The Almighty God, whomever they choose to call HIM.......those that force any member to withstand any form or torture, and even to their death will be held "blodd-guilty" by The Almighty GOD, Let HIS Name Be Sanctifed.......AMEN
The faithful and discreet slave of The Almighty GOD and His Christ, Amen.......
Estephan Leuese, out of the tribe of Levi
do you think it would be a good thing or a bad thing?.
it's so obvious there are so many charlatans and liars getting away with fraud.. it's so obvious that religions are causing most all of the dissention between peoples.. but, because of wt teachings that this act of "government turning on religion" will harbor the worst evil of all....do you still feel a bit uneasy about it?.
do you think religions have taught this paranoia to try to save their own a$$?.
That whole "nations turning on religion" thing is just a self-fulfilling prophecy.
T.F.D.S.
i often wondered about this when i first started questioning things.. .
any jw that has died in decades past, how are they even eligible for ressurection?
during the time in which they died, they were never taught "the truth", as everything changed.. any jw today, looking forward to armageddon coming tomorrow, isn't being taught "the truth" either, as will be made manifest by more doctrinal change.
17 So there were 14 generations from Abraham to David. There were 14 from David until the Jewish people were forced to go away to Babylon. And there were 14 from that time to the Christ.
You will find the point to calculate from would be 587-588 B.C.E. and it will fit just perfectly to the birth of Jesus Christ.
T.F.D.S.
in the late 1960s and early 1970s, i wrote my study, 1914 and all that.
in it, i stated that at matthew 24 jesus warned his followers against seeing wars, earthquakes and famines as being signs.
i have not wavered from that position, which i have given in my posts here at times.. .
8 “The foolish said to the prudent, ‘Give us some of your oil, for our lamps are going out.’ 9 “But the prudent answered, ‘No, there will not be enough for us and you too; go instead to the dealers and buy some for yourselves.’ 10 “And while they were going away to make the purchase, the bridegroom came, and those who were ready went in with him to the wedding feast; and the door was shut.
Those that did not use the oil resources wisely are in need, and are seeking it elsewhere. They seek it in the region of the Middle East where the oil is plentiful. Those in the Middle East require that others pay for the oil, and thus nations wage war for it. This is the meaning of the parable. It represents the time era when Jesus Christ arrived as a thief in the night. Another fulfillment of prophecy. Need I explain more? I am the only one with a direct link to GOD, and no others have been or will upon this earth. It will only occurr one time, and one time only.
What is weeping and gnashing of teeth?
Weeping is the sorrow and pain that those in the heavens, namely Jesus Christ and the twelve apostles along with the faithful slave experience while being raised by the FATHER. This is so we know what those upon the earth are experiencing. How else can one become a counselor if they are not aware of the pain the afflicted suffer? The gnashing of teeth is the anger we all experience while battling against the wicked spirits residing in the vicinity of the earth. It is written, they were cast down.......
the slave
i often wondered about this when i first started questioning things.. .
any jw that has died in decades past, how are they even eligible for ressurection?
during the time in which they died, they were never taught "the truth", as everything changed.. any jw today, looking forward to armageddon coming tomorrow, isn't being taught "the truth" either, as will be made manifest by more doctrinal change.
which Jesus will approve of when he approaches you as a spirit.
Hi there SOM. After work tomorrow, I am off fishing for the weekend. Lucky me, it's a long weekend too. I will come back here and check up though, and see if we can't hash out a good spiel.
This "loo's conduct" you speak of. I for one, have never been big into the bathroom for whatever "conduct" it is here your talking about...
Nice to hear ya speak of your faith as well, without quoting the good book left and right either. Kudo's to you.
Of anything I actually AM sure of it is this : I would much rather have a bottle in front of me, than a frontal lobotomy.
Enjoy your weekend. We can cook corn beaf hash if you like. I am not much of a meat eater however but I guess I need protein for my bodies sustainance once in a while. jk.....of course
Whatever you do in the privacy of your bathroom is up to you.
I know some scripture but not all of it. My teaching has come from experience like a faithful slave and also a wicked one. In order to pay back the wicked for their wickedness, one has to be wicked as well. Like a two edged sword you might say.
Enjoy your bottle of whatever brand you choose......frontal lobotomy brings me chills and I wish that upon no one......<quiver>
Have a good night.......
the faithful and discreet slave
i often wondered about this when i first started questioning things.. .
any jw that has died in decades past, how are they even eligible for ressurection?
during the time in which they died, they were never taught "the truth", as everything changed.. any jw today, looking forward to armageddon coming tomorrow, isn't being taught "the truth" either, as will be made manifest by more doctrinal change.
I have been taught by The Father in this manner.It is written that Jesus mingled with those known to be sinners and was condemned by others for it. In the same way we all have to live in a world full of what we know to be wickedness and those that practice it. Why are they wicked? Did they choose this course of life because they are weak in the flesh? Drugs, alcohol, loos conduct, homosexuality, lesbianism, and all that GOD does not like is around us. Approach them in a loving manner and try to understand why it is they choose to live that way. How easy is it to do what you please when there is no one around to prevent you from doing so?
The heart is treacherous as many people are led by torn emotions,lack of family values, broken homes, poverty, hunger, and all that is written in the bible. GOD will rescue us in due season which is upon us now. The signs have been recognized by many and many believe we are in the last days. It is true, we are. So there is hope, so meanwhile make an attempt to conform your personality to that which Jesus will approve of when he approaches you as a spirit.
Your Heavenly Father is Pure LOVE and it emminates from His Lofty Throne in Perfect Peace and Loving Comfort. The Holy Spirit is Intense in Love and all will learn what GOD intended from the beginning. His creation chose their path out of free will but only for a perios of time. In the Seventh Day Love will flourish and all that is promise in the Holy Scripture will be fullfilled......have a great night.
Estephan Leuese
i often wondered about this when i first started questioning things.. .
any jw that has died in decades past, how are they even eligible for ressurection?
during the time in which they died, they were never taught "the truth", as everything changed.. any jw today, looking forward to armageddon coming tomorrow, isn't being taught "the truth" either, as will be made manifest by more doctrinal change.
truth doesn't change, it can be expalined better....yes, it can be used as a foundation to build on....yes, but do a total turn around....no...for then it wasn't truth but a lie.
It is difficult for me to form an opinon on what you state without an example of what you mean by a total turn around.
Adam and Eve ate of the fruit. Is the fruit literal or symbolic? If I tell you it is symbolic am I misleading you because that is what I derived from the scripture? You see, many beliefs can be drawn from the bible as the understanding was written for everyone from day one up until our day. GOD is the Alpha and The Omega. Even what He writes is for the beginning and the end.
GOD symplified His law by writing the Ten Commandments and Jesus did also by stating that two laws covered the entire basis of our existance. Love your GOD with your whole heart, soul, and mind. And love your brother as yourself.......The basis of the teaching is LOVE......
T.F.D.S.
i often wondered about this when i first started questioning things.. .
any jw that has died in decades past, how are they even eligible for ressurection?
during the time in which they died, they were never taught "the truth", as everything changed.. any jw today, looking forward to armageddon coming tomorrow, isn't being taught "the truth" either, as will be made manifest by more doctrinal change.
S.o.M,
I think you are confusing "judgeing" with making a judgement,just because you and I have judged that the WT is not God's Organization because they never taught the truth,and still do not,that does not mean that we have judged the individuals as worthy of punishment.We do not hate the individual Witnesses.
We hate what is bad,splitting up families,causing death by a false doctrine on the use of blood,mind-controlling people,lying etc.etc.
Jesus said you you should worship the God of truth " in Spirit and Truth ", Paul said "What fellowship does light have with darkness". Jesus also pointed to the Pharasees and said "do as they say,(when they correctly expounded God's law) but not as they do",so if WT/JW's have got a right answer we are free to follow that,and ignore the rest of their error, whilst ,out of love,trying to free individuals from that error.The errors being established by the light from the Scriptures.
Love
Wobble
A judgment does not always require a punishment. When brought before a judge to determine who is right or wrong on a matter, a judge makes a determination based upon law. ATJ determined that they their teaching were all wrong.
The fact the the W.T.S. states that they are GOD's sole organization is false. What about those that are Catholic, Protestant, Baptist, etc. etc. Based upon what is taught in the bible I am certain that you could find falsehood, or misled teachings in all of them. All you can do is provide your way of thinking to another person, and let them make their own determination. You can't force a belief on another. But at the same time would it not be better to find a common ground, as in the belief in GOD? Exchange your own beliefs and walk away from a discussion without ill will towards those that you talk with.
And it is righteous to instruct a person in what you feel to be true. This in order for the person that accepts it can make a change in their life for the better. Trust me that GOD will hold all accountable for their errors if they are indeed intentional. If you believe one way and later feel that your belief was based upon error, admit your wrong whenever possible. Does that make you a liar because you at one time taught what you felt to be true?
T.F.D.S.
